Then I felt worse. The problem with totally unplugging is that you effectively put your head in the sand. I don't always see these things or spend my time logged into these sites. I can definitely say that I've been meaningfully less happy / more anxious / etc as a result. On January 9, Angeli was arrested and... brought up on U.S. federal charges of "knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, and with violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds". I say we ban all forms of fun. I don't think we have the power to fight for our selves against these companies. I wonder about the paradox of whether I would have changed anything in my chaotic youth and whether I’m stunting my kids by sheltering them. I'm also in a country that is not so steeped in technology, and thus not as far down the path of general life becoming dependnet on it. I am an old fart so when Twitter came around the UI was just confusing enough for me and at the same time I cared just a bit less than needed to overcome the activation energy that I still never figured out how to use it. Now me and my friends compare our looks, accomplishments, and follower counts to everyone within 10 years of us on Instagram". In a few cases I don't know the other person's real name at all. That there's some "news" outlet just blatantly lying and making things up, even if it looks to be made "professionally" is not surprising to a younger person. All of those things had legit studies done on them that showed harm, too. I never get anything gore shared to me, but I think it's also because I wouldn't stay friends with anyone who sends me that. Some will, but probably not the ones that grab attention. If I was relying on stored phone numbers or email addresses I'd be a lot less likely to be in touch with some of them (including those whose numbers I still have!). I guess it's more obvious than studying criminal thinking. Have you heard of it? There's gazillion alternatives but those were all eaten up by the giants. For some reason it seems to bring out the worst in so many people, and people think it's now acceptable to post online the awful thoughts that they would've kept to themselves. I no longer spent time in that dopamine cycle. Well, sometimes they get things right, like (only stretching slightly) alcohol, which is not great in excess. The only reason medicine is able to do decent studies is because they can tightly control things in RCTs. I don't really care if two people would both rather do that (except that it's kind of sad for them). doesn't that headline essentially say "teenagers damage teenagers' mental health"? Later when I got to doing some adulting I ended up in Las Vegas trying out some slot machines when it hit me what was happening any time a named boss died. While that does happen, I think it's actually a lot more common now for older people to behave like this, maybe because they've had less time to develop any form of social or psychological resistance. I keep hearing how college age students are “coddled” and the whole helicopter parenting thing. That's a good thing. It would be healthier not to display karma scores at all, even privately. She's a book publisher and doesn't have time to read the one or two articles I send her every 6 months or so. I'm silent on the topic of social media, but we wouldn't even begin to consider the 'upside' of murder or rape or defamation, for instance - and that's not because people in the past have done that analysis for us, it's because collective experience has shown the analysis isn't worth doing - that the utilitarian analysis is the wrong method to apply to the question, just as there are good and bad methods in science or philosophy. That is effectively an implication of saying we should reject all mass media. And at this point even a lot of engineers I know fall into the traps of addiction and echo chambers quite readily. So, it's not that opportunities to socialize don't exist. I lived in their business, without access to other people since we lived in a business area with no other residents. Something that sticks out in my memory of when Facebook's feed launched (I was in college at the time) was the additional pressure surrounding the "relationship status" field. If the algorithms were tuned differently, NLP could be used to pick out the most thoughtful and caring messages to show people, rather than the most liked or most emotionally charged. Not sure how much I blame parents, though. And that's a big caveat. >I don't know if the downsides are worse for Facebook or Twitter (engineered for eyeballs and ad clicks), than forums, or where Discord lies on the spectrum. Letting kids roam the internet can give ones who might otherwise be doomed to become misfits an opportunity to find community. It really shook me at the time. I'm not misremembering having more friends when I had places to go and do things in person, I definitely did. If you're rude to the local bartender her dad might have a word with you. I believe they're tracking related symptoms and disagreeing about the root cause. > From providing self estem from a different source from the local. Python, C, Lisp, Perl, Java. http://www.nautil.us/blog/studies-shoot-down-techs-harmful-e... > A new study in Nature Human Behaviour, which looked at data from more than 350,000 adolescents, also found that digital tech use mattered little to kids’ well-being. I learned about Magic: the Gathering strategy, met a lot of friends, and coordinated cross-continent travel over the internet with people I had only interacted with via IRC. So what’s the alternative? So, yeah. Didn't everyone witness that? The moment I wake up, I reach to the mobile to read the news. Check. Pulling out your phone while in the middle of a conversation is incredibly rude, but people do it constantly, without a second thought, in both personal and professional contexts. The rest of your comment is almost unnecessary (although it is appreciated because it helps confirm that I am getting you). I can't imagine Phillip Morris in its heyday having 1% of the influence that Twitter enjoys today. The irony is that Hacker News, a prolific social media site, is publishing fake news about mental health in social media and making its users angrier. Here are some upsides: > Social media platforms are one of the most accessible forms of long-distance communication. What can I/we do to help?" I have very few social media platforms and that ones I have are limited or automated so I don't interact with them often. I must concur. I got internet access I could use regularly when I was around 12. I learned about Linux and programming on the internet. My view right from the start of the internet has been to make quarrelling exact a cost, just as it does in real life. No idea how this will pan out, but personally I feel so much better already. “It’s not a vacuum, it works both ways.". but if I've learned one thing in my life, it's that self-improvement is very hard, I'm the only person who can put down the second donut. Same regarding a lot of other potential teenage risk-taking behavior, like reckless driving or getting exceptionally drunk. I wouldn't have been able to learn about computers, wouldn't have eventually been able to come out to the bay area as early as I did. Reddit was hard but I think keeping it read only (I gave my gf my account passwords) at least keeps me from interacting. Indeed. There are upsides. [1]https://epi.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/EPI-PT_Young-p... > Engaging in physical activity was found to be more important for boys’ mental and emotional health. I find intense arguments relaxing. Like, "old man yells at cloud" causes me to almost immediately understand your point (at least I feel I understand your point). #cute baby orangutan #Mother and child #hugs #kisses #cute baby animals. I grew up with uneducated parents who are susceptible to believing bullshit peddled by cult leaders. I'd prefer of course to find ways to minimize them but not by way of abstinence. I'm not suggesting everyone join a Masonic lodge (obviously) or take up Jiu-Jitsu. The web and internet access may drive most of humanity to tribal motivated reasoning and echo chambers, but for others it leads to better critical thinking, learning new ideas and arguments and changing your mind/becoming a better thinker. Japan sure as hell isn't perfect socially but they demonstrate that the source of social problems may be found in the mirror collectively and not in new technology. Interestingly enough, HN and reddit have both been really useful for me. I took it to heart, printed it out, and pasted sections on my bedroom wall. It makes sense for it to not be very old, as most people didn’t own lawns until mid twentieth century or so. This is true. Until COVID that was never really a problem. Twitter is the closest I have to a site where I recognize a stranger's voice and opinions. So yeah, I can intuitively believe this study. Finding porn was easy since the "filters" were mostly someone who largely didn't care configuring a default search engine or maybe a DNS blacklist. Through this empowerment, patients can challenge the stigma associated with their condition; and potentially even improve their situation by learning from peers, and gaining insight into important health decisions and possible remedies. Social media platforms are one of the most accessible forms of long-distance communication. No more checking multiple times per day. We wouldn't be talking about this stuff were it not for the truths presented to us by the people it affects most profoundly. Safe and reliable vans and shuttles - book now! Most of it I don't miss, because social media has also reduced the quality of communication to the level of gossip, but what I do miss out on is any sort of invitations to social gatherings. Your Ride! Everyone can be an asshole and most accounts would troll you. Which means that the list of non-social-media options in one's community likely caters to an ever decreasing variety of interests. Mental pressure built up within yourself, whatever is their cause, get somewhat released after a good cry. I get to lob bombs over the wire at someone I've never met and will likely never meet. Kundeportalsidene for Bergens Tidende. Bookmarked. To me, there is no difference between lashing out online or in person and is more akin to that balloon popping (or, at the very least, adding air to it) than it is releasing air from it. I'd say things are worse. So the latest version of Hacker News has a feature to let you limit your use of the site. The defaults are 20 and 180, which would let you view the site for 20 minutes at a time, and then not allow you back in for 3 hours. I think it took a while for that to start happening though. Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), the virus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), has many variants; some are or have been believed to be of particular importance. And then there's the constant influx of disinformation. I think we need an evolution of social etiquette to account for this brave new world of self-absorption and rudeness. I hate that. Exciting, but not "real". The Weird Eddies or Creepy Colins of the world had a black-market snatched from them when the internet got popular. I have a Gopher site for that, from a really insteresting guy: No ads, no likes, no bullshit. I'm not sure a teenager has the same value. So I think the truth does indeed eventually come to fruition... but when we have vested moneyed interests pushing against the truth? She needs a wheelchair. > I've always been a bit extreme on this but I more than ever believe that it's insane that we consider that leaving teenagers with unsupervised internet access is reasonable. They never get bored of scrolling through their feeds, they can't focus on anything else. They don't really have the opportunity to think about their responses to it. I have a theory that older generations are much worse at identifying fake information on the internet. As a high school guy, I have to wonder if. It's hard, there's no immediate downside to checking your phone or app. Need to track a flight arrival or find airport parking? Over 10 > Social media (and the attention economy) are worse for young brains than drugs. internet. No, I'm not arguing that more people saw footage of those two incidents versus the universe of gore preceding 2005; rather, I'm arguing that gore is far more prevalent and accessible after 2005 than before. Correlational/observational studies are almost never good enough to make strong statements about anything. Japanese "social media" including forums and image boards are biased towards being nonentity as possible. Too many people seem to take whatever the read as truth and insert it directly into their brain without an skepticism or critical thought. Social media by design is at best neutral. A few minutes down the road you were talking to strangers on the other side of the planet about something you were all actively interested in. However, I wonder if the simplest strategy that works when you have to get along with everyone is that you have to become an noisy asshole that overreacts to real "enemies" over imagined slights. I turned off my Twitter, Facebook got a bit. I have an opposite version of this where I find myself frustrated that I can't discuss certain topics offline with my social circle. Getting off of Facebook and Twitter was the best thing I ever did - I can't believe how much more mental space I have now that I'm no longer stuck in conversation loops with strangers. * We find a graded relationship between family income and all three outcomes through adolescence: young people’s mental and emotional health scores are worse the lower down their family is on the income scale. Back when I was a kid, if we had internet access at all, we mostly used it for the community aspect. The algorithms don’t encourage reading of responses like that typically... and, alas, human nature doesn’t really encourage people to “like” or “love” or otherwise strongly react to messages like that. The release of venting verbally with a person who is understanding and prepared to accept the venting is likely significantly more productive and healthier than over text. No, I do not. I use Twitter via Nitter.net and just a few Unix people. I'm not sure our culture has the tools to cope with a monopoly on participation in society. Sure people can change their nicknames, but people change their real names too. Social media provokes behaviours which are unnatural or even impossible in an ordinary "social" setting. The happily took credit for the upsides and for the longest time, like almost a decade, laughed out of the room anyone talking about the downsides. Frankly, I don't have any interest in engaging in that kind of discourse (and also it's generally against the spirit of this forum). I'm late 20s and had virtually unsupervised internet access and my own personal computer from about age 8 or so, as my father brought home old parts from work and let me tinker/assemble something, and they didn't watch me too closely. No one is comparing it, the other poster suggested completely restricting access to the internet because this content exists. > One in three girls was unhappy with their personal appearance by the age of 14, compared with one in seven at the end of primary school. Social media in moderation is fine. 47 Likes, 1 Comments - University of Central Arkansas (@ucabears) on Instagram: “Your gift provides UCA students with scholarships, programs, invaluable learning opportunities and…” Since the number of sign language ``speakers" is low, written text is the most accessible way to communicate with others. When I visit YouTube, I intentionally focus on the task at hand and try to not let the algorithm distract me (which is hard, because their recommendations almost always resonate with me). As a parent you want to guide them towards healthy ways to engage with things that could otherwise destroy them in excess. The alternative is to actually take them places or to let them go unattended, neither of which parents seem happy to swallow. No problem should ever have to be solved twice. just because they made a post or sent a tweet/text assuming that I'd see it. And with suicide and depression rates rising beyond a standard deviation in gen z girls it's hard to feel as if it were worse from them in the past. ", My argument isn't really "they said these things were bad and they're not," it's more like "these things are actually kinda bad in some circumstances, but mostly we all turned out ok anyway, and things wouldn't really be much different or better if rock music were more heavily regulated when we were kids.". It jives with my perspective too, but I can't help also feeling like that's an "old man yells at cloud" viewpoint. But things were better when I was younger and worse now that I am 31. “The future of mental health care: peer-to-peer support and social media”. Reach out to that person you only kinda know from that thing one time and see if they want to come to something you’re doing. Really? You think more people saw the shooting of the Trump supporter or George Floyd than saw images from Desert Storm, 9-11, or school shootings? I'm trying to adapt to longer form content again, instead of only watching videos under a minute or reading 280 character tweets. It sickens me to see a post from a 23 yr old spouting how to hide ED from your parents by doing the following... Or using subliminals to change the shape of your nose. Yeah, you cannot confirm those yourself - so what do sane people do? People who mock people in real life for not looking this is that way do a way more impact. Every device for the last umpteen years has come with parental controls that include filtering out NSFW-esque material. Unless you're suggesting a blanket ban on social media for everyone..... Don't most teenagers spend most of their time socializing with other teenagers? "The world is full of fascinating problems waiting to be solved. I was first online by myself soon thereafter. Wouldn't that leave us a little less motivated to go out IRL and actually hurt someone physically, a little less motivated to sit down and furiously start on the next evil manifesto? As difficult as that era was, I worry that the present dynamic is somehow even worse than the decades-long ill of young women comparing themselves to airbrushed supermodels: young women comparing themselves to an endless stream of social media personalities who work tirelessly and deliberately to maintain a facade of contrived believability. I cannot help but be deeply unsettled by the proposal. I was a 14 year old girl in the 90s and I share your surprise its only one in three. 1 source for hot moms, cougars, grannies, GILF, MILFs and more. I check that a couple times a week, and feel very “caught up”, and also have an opportunity to dive in deep as needed. I don't know what this means; I don't have children if that's what you're asking. I think you're a little over confident in your points if you don't mind me saying. Done. Forums don't have algorithms constantly running trying to hijack your brain stem to keep you scrolling and clicking links... "Like email, social news sites can be dangerously addictive. This is how we did it before social media and it’s by far the more pleasant way. She reads the first paragraph and says she got the "gist", which means we can't talk about it because she has no idea what the other 20 pages said, nor does she care because... well "haven't you seen the top reddit post today. I recently saw the video about one cell to salamander on HN. In an ordinary social gathering with people talking, there is a collective subject discourse and you cannot just express your preference for cats in the middle of the conversation. Imagine you are the chairman of Phillip Morris in 1995. The fact that we allowed companies to do these two things together while making money off it is absolutely astounding to me. It is _only_ revolutionary and disparages any prior merit and censure without reason. Morgue photos and other terrible content. Eh. People are different. I'm probably 90% better informed than half of the mooks Kwaliteit catering in Nederland bestellen doet u bij Kerstdiner, dé cateraar bij u in de buurt! It took quite some time for us to develop better lenses, and to use elliptical instead of spherical orbits. Agreed. I remember adults chatting with me when I was 10 and printing out and mailing me game manuals. I know, right? I had to stop using social media because I would become distraught over some of the stuff I read, almost all the bigotry I experienced was entirely online. 4. Attitude is no substitute for competence." I'm sure many of them think life is great out there on the farm.