The Bulldog can't handle high pressure Elmer Keith loads either. The heaviest slug listed was the 240 grain, and the hottest loads for ##the 240 gr slug delivered velocities around or less than 900 ft/s. Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Mr. Mosin, Aug 2, 2019. There is no wonder why the .44 Bulldog is considered Charter Arms' trademark weapon.The Charter Arms Bulldog in .44 Special is known for its rugged reliability and stopping power. This isn’t necessary with modern Bulldog revolvers. The 44 is my main carry since I got it. easy recoil. My defensive load for my CC Bulldog is just a standard .44 Special load under a 240g SWC. Baldy (MtBaldyBullets.com) cast Keith bullet, the same powder behind a 240-grain Speer JHP, 7.5 grains of … The Bulldog is unique among American compact revolvers, in that it is chambered for a big-bore cartridge: the 44 Special. from the 200 gr Gold Dot HP to a 240 cast Keith work well in my Bulldog and 624's. At that time, it was the “new” Charter Arms .44 Special Bulldog. Saillie. I see no reason to hot rod 44 special loads when I can load 44 magnum. Above, jacketed .44-caliber bul. BY JOHN TAFFIN Five .44s arrived in factory chambering in the 20th century; the .445 SuperMag, the .444 Marlin, and the .44 AutoMag as well as the other two, have been covered in previous chapters, however we now look in greater depth at two of the greatest sixgun cartridges of all, the .44 Special and the .44 Magnum. I hear lilgun is a high end powder and is extremely hot and can burn out barrels quickly. 9 Eleveurs. With my Ruger flattops and Vaqueros, I move up to the Skeeter load for for my working loads, and Keith load if I feel the need. This is a dandy load in a full size revolver and pleasant to shoot. But the caliber is definitely for the reloader. I have revolvers with longer barrels, but the shorter barrel makes more sense when carried on the hip, and a slight velocity loss is unimportant. I still remember the very first .44 Special handgun I ever owned and shot. 4 years ago. It is versatile in that it can be used for personal or home protection, out camping and fishing, hiking or atop a horse in the back country looking for cattle. There was no listing for a 250 grain ##slug. I think ##that most loads fired through the Bulldog were in the 700-800 ft/s range. Any other Charter Arms Bulldog fans here? so far a 6.8 gr load of bluedot with a lee 310 gr gas checked bullet of #2 alloy is getting good accuracy at 10-12 yds. I have WIN 231, Universal, WIN 296 , H110, and 2400 I've read I need a fast powder to burn in that short barrel. Lv 6. I use either 200 gr or 180 gr cast bullets when I reload .44 Spl. the gun. The .44 Special has not been forgotten and Skeeter has not been forgotten and four of us, call us the Four Horsemen of the .44 Special are doing all we can to keep the .44 Special alive. Really nice accurate pistol. As smokeless powders progressed and improved, by the early 1920s handloaders began developing loads that enhanced the performance of the .44 Special. Many of us like to carry a 38 or 357 snubbie in the pocket as a backup to a larger gun. The .44 Russian proved very accurate, and it didn't take long for savvy target shooters of the day to realize its potential. The .44 Bull Dog and .44 Webley cartridges continued to be commercially offered in the U.S. until 1938 or 1939.) Hornady lists 6-8 gr Universal for both their jacketed and lead 180 gr. Vintage Boxes - Gear, Shell, Case, Primer, Group Buys Design, Active , Waiting and Archives, Closed Buys/Waiting for delivery/in shipment, If this is your first visit, be sure to RickK; I do not have a Charter Bulldog. Some loads such as the otherwise excellent "Heavy .44 Special" loads offered by Buffalo Bore Ammunition or Elmer Keith's famous hunting load (the 250 gr. I learned the that the Charter Arms Bulldog .44 Special has a faithful following. Guns were Ruger GP100 (three-inch barrel) and Smith & Wesson Model 629 (five-inch barrel). The handloads were five grains of Bullseye behind a 250-grain Mt. 11 gr of 2400 and a lee 200 gr cast bullet shows good promise as well and shoots to sights. This was the dawn of the smokeless era, and with it came some problems. I have heard that just tightening them works wonders. I would consider that a hot load. Plus I never mix head stamps. I have owned several from the different parent companies. Lv 4. I had to pull it several times, but never had to use it. As for reloading, I confirmed what I had learned 20 years ago. Standard loads for the .44 Russian used a lead bullet of about 250 grains at 750 feet per second. Elevage Magic Mustang. I am happy to report that once again the Charter .44 Special Bulldog is being produced by Charter 2000 of Shelton, CT. Many years ago, when the Charter Bulldog first appeared on the scene, Guns Magazine did a writeup on it. For intermediate pressure loads like this (i.e. I couldn’t hit the target very often. This is the latest version of the popular Charter Bulldog. 44600 Saint -nazaire Chiots. Posted June 29, 2011 in Pistols by Richard Johnson with 63 Comments Tags: .44, bulldog, charter arms, handguns, revolver. I’ve heard people say that the CA Bulldog is a decent gun, but that it won’t tolerate hot loads. There was a fellow who post here that listed 200gr loads getting over 900fps from a newer 2.5" barreled Bulldog. Note: The author’s revolver features grips that have been relieved for proper ejection of spent cartridge cases. At 21 ounces, recoil is brisk. They think of the 44 magnum when they hear 44. 17 Caliber.172” Diameter. The visual effect of that large bore, on a small handgun in your face, brought instant calm to restless natives. The visual effect of that large bore, on a small handgun in your face, brought instant calm to restless natives. I couldn’t hit the target very often. What exactly constitutes a ‘hot load’ in .44 Spl ? Said these giant hollowpoints did terrible things to ballistic gelatin. It was evenly finished in matte black, with black-rubber finger-groove grips that fit our hands well. It will jar the screws loose over time. It is just a shade larger in diameter than a K-frame speedloader. The Charter Arms (New guns) are proving to be quite accurate. The Bulldog does have a kick, and some practice is … They’re not a bad selection either, with good loads, some of which (specifically, Buffalo Bore) put out 158-grain bullets at 1000 fps. Charter Arms Bull Dog 44 Special by Tallball posted Nov 21, 2018 at 6:41 AM, https://www.underwoodammo.com/colle...-jacketed-hollow-point?variant=18785722138681, https://www.luckygunner.com/44-special-180-gr-xtp-hornady-20-rounds, (You must log in or sign up to reply here.). Need light 44 special load for charter arms bulldog If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. I've shot well over a thousand rounds in a .44 Bulldog with only a few screws needing tightening, most loads were mild handloads using 240gr SWC with Herco powder. I don't have the Ruger GP100 44 spl.I have the Charter Bulldog 44 spl. In Handloader #236, Brian Pearce places the Charter Ars Bulldog in the 22,000 psi category. 49 - Maine et Loire. 1 0. metz. They are certainly not .44 Magnums, but will handle .44 Specials and.44 Russian and .44 Colt rounds. 44 Special Load Data. For this assignment, a Smith & Wesson Model 629 with a 4-inch barrel was used, because it is modern, hefty and well-made. Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. The .44 Special is an excellent field cartridge, and when combined with handloads is capable of taking varmints and big game. Most famous was Elmer Keith. The reviewer had a mould for a 44 wadcutter. I have two of them and while I don’t run “warm” handloads thru them, for the $ they’re fantastic little revolvers. Charter Arms is now making a Bulldog in .45 Auto but I have only seen them but but I have not shot one yet. cast SWC over 6.5 grs. However, some of us prefer bigger, heavier bullets for self-protection, and for that purpose, enter the Charter Arms Bulldog. 5 Eleveurs. “44 BullDog” is the fourth track from Pop Smoke’s posthumous debut album Shoot for the Stars, Aim for the Moon.. shoots a little high though. I have had the Bulldog out several times since the review and it is still trouble free also there is a cool factor of the .44 Special. Everything is a handload, using Speer 200g GDHP and a max charge of PowerPistol, using Speer’s published data. I've owned a CA 38, 40 bulldog, 2 -44 3" classics, 2-44 2.5" and currently a Bulldog XL in 45 colt. Recoil can be a problem with small, light revolvers and most recommend 200 gr bullets at a max of 800 fps for shooting comfort. This has been my experience with my older 3" SS Bulldog in .44 Spl. Left, avariety ofpowders was used to develop.44Special handloads. 44250 St Brevin Chiots. Maybe he will see this and repost some of his load data. of Unique in a 44 Special case and a 240-250 grain bullet is sometimes slightly over SAAMI specs but it doesn't worry me in modern guns. Charter Arms Bulldog Model 14420 44 Special, $414. I have had the Bulldog out several times since the review and it is still trouble free also there is a cool factor of the .44 Special. It is a very low powered round used in small handguns for close quarters self-defense. The Bulldog I reviewed was the model 24420, which is outfitted with a handsome black and OD green stripe pattern similar to the Tiger Stripe cam patterns. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. Saillie. In this video we go over a replica that we have been working on of the infamous Son of Sam Charter arms bulldog 44 special. An old.44 caliber round used by the British was the 44 Bulldog, which came out in 1880. Factory 44 Special loads with 240 grain lead bullets are already pretty docile if not downright pathetic. The heaviest slug listed was the 240 grain, and the hottest loads for ##the 240 gr slug delivered velocities around or less than 900 ft/s. 72 - Sarthe. 17 Rem . I lost count. I think most people think it's a 44 so it will be way more than what recoil they can handle. 44 special loads get loaded into 44 special brass and 44 magnum loads get loaded into 44 magnum brass. The Charter Arms (New guns) are proving to be quite accurate. Also, the Bull Dog was very easy to carry. Keith bullet over 16.7 grains of Alliant 2400 in modern brass) are simply too hot for the little Bulldog and will shoot one loose in short order. The warmest loads I put through the .44 GP100 were a 255- gr. Quality could be better, but they are the only game in town for a small big bore snubbie. ...The "Skeeter" load we use in full size .44 Specials... for general field use is not too heavy for the Charter regarding pressure ...but you may not like the recoil (7.5 grs of Unique behind a 240-250 gr Keith SWC). Elevage Luso Bull King Dog. The 4 Under the .44 spl loading, the test ##firearm was a Charter Arms Bulldog. Elevage Of Carlibull. The bulldogs tend to do better with bullets in the 200gr/220gr range, better for the shooter & they tend to hit the poa with the bulldogs with the low profile front sights. Reloading: Powder Comparison .44 Special Loads. lets measuring.429,.4295and.430 inch are suitable for the .44 Special. The Charter Arms website (www.CharterArms.com) today lists 11 varieties of the 44 Special Bulldog, as well as many other revolvers in 22 LR and 22 Mag., 32 H&R, 38 Spl., 357 Mag, a delightful rimless revolver in 40 S&W that doesnt need moon clips, and the 44 Specials. I have an older charter bulldog. After a while, however, even the most recoil-tough shooter looks forward to toning things down a bit. The CA .44 Bulldog is a great gun. A surprising number of people feel comforted these days with an easy-to-carry revolver stuffed with big bullets close at hand. When the longer case .44 Special arrived it was a dead ringer for the .44 Russian with the same bullet at the same muzzle velocity and was even loaded with black powder. I have a Crimson Trace grip on the Bulldog and it seems to tame the recoil and is more accurate & faster than the fixed sights it comes with. And, if I recall correctly, back then the only factory ammo available was some lead round nose ammo that wasn’t very accurate. I think ##that most loads fired through the Bulldog were in the 700-800 ft/s range. Now a 44 magnum is another story. 53 - Mayenne. All information is provided "as is" with all faults without warranty of any kind, either express or implied. Charter Arms .44 Bulldog Review. Only way to go with the .44 Special. When I first got my Bulldog, the first load I tried was a 258 gr. Reloading: Powder Comparison.44 Special Loads Rupp’s test included IMR Target and IMR Red, both relatively new powders from that company, against the new Winchester 244—with tried-and-true Alliant Bullseye for comparison. All of this with standard lead bullet. One gun I never reloaded for, but tried several different factory loads in. And, if I recall correctly, back then the only factory ammo available was some lead round nose ammo that wasn’t very accurate. Saillie. In addition to the .44 Special (top) the Lipsey’s/Ruger GP100 also handles both the .44 Colt (middle) and .44 Russian (right). 3 Eleveurs . my 38 spl choice is winchester 110 gr or 100 gr RN-FP handloads (for target shooting and does well for defense) my 44 spl choice is winchester silvertip. The .44 Special is very similar to the .45 Auto in ballistics, as you saw. IMO a 357 is way more to handle than a 44 spl. I think the main issue with Charters is that the screws like to walk out under heavy recoil. 17 Rem Fireball. I get much better preformance (total energy) and accuracy with the 200 gr than I do with the 240 gr, but I should mention this is out of a 3" Charter Arms Bulldog. The HKS Speedloader available for the Bulldog doesn’t have any extra frame clearance. There was no listing for a 250 grain ##slug. Need to get a couple more of the 44 Bulldogs, and a 38 or two. The first Bulldogs were developed about as soon as we had cartridge revolvers. Filled with .44 Magnum cartridges, it is ready for target practice or hunting. I bought it for a snake gun wading around in creeks and swamps, which it worked great for. 44 Special Load Data; 44 Remington Magnum Handgun Load Data; 45 Auto (ACP) Load Data; 45 Colt (Single Action Army & Replicas) Load Data; 45 Colt (Ruger & T/C Contender & Encore) Load Data; Cartridge Data; Components by Caliber; Nosler Home I have 200 gr 44 Special Gold Dot's and 180 Speer JHP's probably for 44 Magnum Anyone have experience with Unique in a short barrel? The latter two, designed for Cowboy Action Shooters, are quite pleasant to shoot and actually could be quite effective with their 200-230-grain bullets at nearly 700 fps from the longer barreled Bulldog, and 650 fps from the 4″ .44 Special. 44600 Saint-nazaire ELEVEURS DANS LES AUTRES DEPARTEMENTS. The .44 Russian proved very accurate, and it didn't take long for savvy target shooters of the day to realize its potential. We thought the overall workmanship was very good, with no visible problems anywhere. The "Skeeter" load of 7.5 grs. IMO a 357 is way more to handle than a 44 spl. At that time, it was the “new” Charter Arms .44 Special Bulldog. Muzzle velocity is 750 to 775 fps and groups under 1-inch for 5 shots at 20 yards in the 5-inch Charter Arms. Are you new production CA Bulldogs (both new style and the Classic) up to snuff for serious range time ? Smith & Wesson wanted to develop a similar cartridge that would make use of the relatively new smokeless powder, which seemed to be the wave of the future. Having always been a fan of moderate loads using lead bullets suitable for casual paper punching, the .44 Special naturally comes to mind for use in .44 Magnum revolvers. My stainless .44 Bulldog Pug is an integral part of my day-to-day defensive readiness. Charter Arms is now making a Bulldog in .45 Auto but I have only seen them but but I have not shot one yet. Etalon. 44 Remington Magnum Handgun Load Data; 45 Auto (ACP) Load Data; 45 Colt (Single Action Army & Replicas) Load Data; 45 Colt (Ruger & T/C Contender & Encore) Load Data; Cartridge Data; Components by Caliber; Nosler Home; Load Data 44 Special Load Data. They think of the 44 magnum when they hear 44. I don’t know why! 0 0. gentlewolfspaws. The DAO Bulldog .44 was my carry gun for years, one of those guns I kick myself for selling. I had the Bulldog for over 12 years and traded it to a friend and he in turn loaded it with some hot loads a few months later, the hot loads jammed the gun and cracked the cylinder. I get much better preformance (total energy) and accuracy with the 200 gr than I do with the 240 gr, but I should mention this is out of a 3" Charter Arms Bulldog. I think it has more to do with what your hand will tolerate over what the gun will. If you've never had the pleasure of firing a .44 Spl inside a closed room, like a bedroom, find an abandoned house, get permission from whoever owns it … Keith’s design has stood the test of time and has proven itself over and over in the hunting field, while the full wadcutter — cutting a full caliber hole in paper — became very popular for target shooting. When I did, the round key-hole went through the target sideways. My classic came with nice wood grips, but I put rubber grips on for recoil moderation. In spite of the bull weighing close to 700 pounds, and the two bullets’ impact velocities being down to around 1,030 fps, both completely penetrated the vitals and exited the offside. The 44 is my main carry since I got it. 38 Special Vs 38 Special P. Source(s): https://shrinke.im/a8wYd. Recoil with this load was HEAVY, too heavy for an practical use. Incidentally, the chamber mouths on the Lipsey’s/Ruger .44 Special are a uniform .431″. Mr. Keith really did not come up with the idea of a .44 Magnum. This was the dawn of the smokeless era, and with it came some problems. The rubber grips do help but the wood look better. The hammer is exposed, allowing for double action or single action fire. I've shot well over a thousand rounds in a .44 Bulldog with only a few screws needing tightening, most loads were mild handloads using 240gr SWC with Herco powder. The .44 Bulldog and Bulldog Pug were well-received by shooters and are, in some areas, very hard to find on the used market. RELOADING THE 20 TH CENTURY .44s. It is also an example of how retarded some other manufacturers are that they cannot seem to make a 5-shot .44 that comes anywhere close in size to the Charter.
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